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I’ll also agree with this. Cub Scouts are different from Scouts BSA, than from Venturing, etc. The perspective, and responsibilities of an adult are also very different from a youth leader. The program changes, times change. All of this means that every leader should seek training opportunities whenever they are presented. Even if you already know the material, it is good to get a refresher, or to learn a new way of doing something. Even participating in the class and contributing your own experience is valuable. Your job learning to be a better scouter doesn’t ever stop.

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Hello Erik,

Welcome to the forum and thank you for your hard work. I suggest using the Selecting Cub Scout Leadership.pdf (174.0 KB) guidebook. There are also a bunch of new onboarding guides.

Plus, being a Den Leader has never been easier considering the Scoutbook Den Leader Experience.

-Pete Simpson
District Associate

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Will it help if your pack parents saw your post here? If not, I suggest you take it down and spend some time getting acquainted with things before offering up grirvances. As a parent who spent 6 years as a cub scout leader and another 4 as a troop committee chair - having done virtually all of what you listed for yourself, too - I understand your frustrations, but realize you won’t win over parents by complaining about the system. Let me ask you: Would you be ok with sending your son to a pack that didn’t properly vet their leaders? I wouldn’t, and no parent in their right mind would be willing to take the risk. Although everyone initially complains, the background check is once every 5 years and requires you to write your name, your SSN, and sign it…not exactly what I’d call a difficult hoop to jump through. The training is online and can be completed after dinner any evening or while sipping coffee early in the morning. The app has barely changed in over 10 years, and when parents complain about the cost of their uniform, nod and say, “and you’re gonna look great in it!” Instead of posting complaints here, I can assure you your District Executive would love to guide you through it all and would love to attend a meeting to help get parents into things. Did I mention both of my boys are Eagle Scouts? In fact, one earned the Outstanding Eagle Project in our district last year, and that earned him the role of master of ceremonies at our Eagle Banquet in a couple of weeks. I tell you this because I had the exact same complaints as you did when I started. I was encouraged to volunteer in order to help make things better. Running a pack is no easy feat and it takes constant care and feeding. Some parents don’t think they are cut out for volunteering, but constant encouragement will eventually work. Don’t expect miracles, expect small tokens of assistance in small ways. And always mention how it gets easier when everyone pitches in.

Don’t skirt the rules because by doing so sets a horrible example to your scouts, rather explain to your pack how important it is it follow these important rules so that all our scouts remain safe. This is not just a safe program, it is where young boys learn to become responsible men. They can’t possibly do that if the administrators of their pack are violating the rules.

Happy Scouting!

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To be clear: This is a program where children learn to be adults. My daughters and the Girls in my troop would take offense at the suggestion that BSA is just for boys.

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Do your best! Which you are! I was in the same
Situation a Few years ago. I was the committee. My wife thought I was a full time Cubmaster and part time employee. Just do your best. The scouts will benefit from your generosity. I know my sons did. They are now both Eagles. Many Cub Packs and Troops go through the same turmoil. Just do your best. And enjoy the process (I even fired a volunteer, not easy !). I did do everything you did and all I could do is bridge over with my scouts. Good luck. Tom B Long Island NY

YPT training should be simple to resolve - can someone from your Council come and do an in-person training? We scheduled this meeting very early on in the scout year, council rep came in and taught the training to all parents and un-trained leaders. Trained leaders/committee members worked with the youth on the Protect Yourself adventure for each of the levels. Parents and leaders received the training before our first campout and the youth completed the elective all in one night.

Now that doesn’t mean they will volunteer - but at least all parents are on the same page with regards to youth protection and less excuses.

My understanding is that YPT (Y01) course is suppose to be done online Some notable exceptions are:

  • Government requires training to be in person.

Council training committee (or council committee) authorizes face-to-face YPT, for example for:

  • Disabled student is unable to use a computer or mobile device to take online training.
  • Government where located restricts use of Internet.

Some issues:

  • Face to face training is reading of the online slides
  • Instructor may not individually test students because it is extra work to grade individual tests
  • Extra paper records storage and retention requirements
  • Extra data entry requirements (labor required)
  • How is completion recorded for parents handled?

matt

try this as a starting point for an orentation sheet for your cub or scout group

dilworth brintonjr

commissioner since 1974’

WELCOME TO PACK 365.docx (15.3 KB)

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Thank you. This will help us get stated without giving families 20 pages!

Is that an official policy? We’ve had someone come to a pack meeting to train our parents the last two years, and I just saw YPT listed on the course list for our upcoming University of Scouting.

Scout Executives can authorize in person YPT training.

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In reference to “Scout Executives can authorize in person YPT training.”

I suspect this may be council dependent. Do you have a citation for this SE authority? I thought the national model for council organization has a council training committee involved, unless modified by the local council bylaws.

https://www.scouting.org/training/adult/

  • Check with your council training committee.

My opinion:

For simplification of administration and consistency I prefer online registration and online youth protection training. For other Scout and Scouter training I prefer face-to-face training to allow for personal interaction and a sense of belonging.

My understanding is that “council training policy and training organization” and “controlling distributing of training materials” are two different things.

Primary council issue is that at least one state requires state approved courses to be used, If the BSA YPT course is updated, it cannot be used until re-approved by the government.

May I suggest splitting off this YPT topic off to “YPT face-to-face training requirements”?

I am grateful that, at least in our council, face-to-face YPT is an option.
While true that willingness to complete training does serve as an indicator of whether someone will be willing to put the time into actually fulfilling their role, we want ALL of our parents to have this training. When we have stated that expectation we have had children miss out on camping trips because the primary scout parent couldn’t take them and the other parent hadn’t done the training.
Also, having everyone do the training makes it a lot easier to convince moms to register. If their only role is being a registered female the only required training is YPT. If that’s already done, all we’re asking for them to do that they aren’t already doing is to give permission to run a background check and a few reference phone numbers.

And personally, I’d be expiring this month if I hadn’t been sick and off work. There was one 5 minute chunk of the bullying module that took me over an hour to complete due to spotty internet and inadequate check points. I watched that same chunk of video at least right times before finally getting to the end and being able to click the next forward arrow. Online training makes training so much more accessible for most people, but unfortunately you can’t assume that everyone will have reliable internet access.

For our council, the in-person YPT training takes longer than the online YPT training. It does not result in time savings. :frowning:

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I concur. Unfortunately it is a burden for councils that are required by local and/or state law to use government approved face-to-face training.

You can try different browsers. BSA cannot fix the internet or browser but the contractor developing training modules may be able to fix the training module.

Please send details to myscouting@scouting.org or open a member care help desk (HD) technical problem report at https://jira.scouting.org/

P.S. I am aware that there are locations where there is poor or no internet access.

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