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New Membership Fees Disclosed + New One-Time Joining Fee

@davidEPPS - perhaps some research into the cost of scouting in other countries. I know some leaders and parents have no idea that scouting even exists outside of the US.

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Thanks for the breakdown. Nicely done. You can’t avoid attrition. Boy Scouts are going to age out and move on or perhaps fallout for the usual reasons such as earning the Eagle Rank and stopping, sports, academics, dating, etc.

I think in an earlier posts you identified a real serious question as to why 300,000 scouts didn’t crossover. If you can get the boys into a Troop I think you have a good chance of retention. I’m not a statistician but through my own personal observations and experiences in last 8 years I think the parents not supporting the kids is a major issue. They had rather drop the kids off, sit in the corner on the smartphones or gossip with the other parents than be active participants. I think they get burned out from being “burdened” from having to do the things to get their Scout to meetings and events. It’s a little easier in the Boy Scouts because the parents don’t have to stay or go to the camping trips. While I understand the need of adding the “Lions” Den to increase the membership I have no doubt it will lead to burnout for many Scouts and Families.

The BSA needs to re-brand itself in a way to sell themselves to the parents instead of just reacting to the latest series of issues. I’ve seen a lot of stuff on Ambulance Chasers wanting to sue the BSA but I can’t recall a pro-BSA advertisement that really has teeth.

Play the 2019 world jamboree video at your recruitment event

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You are right on both points!

  1. the Boy Scouts of America you tube channel needs to hard sale the parents of the 14 to 20 year olds. This is a good video for parents. This is a good video for moms. The you tube views are just pitiful.

  2. Marketing, Marketing,Marketing is the ticket. Scouting BSA needs local and national advertisements on the TV media outlets. Offset the little bad press with all the good press that is scouting. A You tube merit badge must be developed then the scouts can market scouting.

  3. I just wrote an email to Mike Rowe an eagle scout and suggested he volunteer to be the ambassador of the 2021 national jamboree.

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This is great information! Let me make sure I understand–
If each unit has a net increase in membership of 7 members that will make immediate impact (based on unverified numbers of course).

We can grow by 7 members per unit.

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Your question was " if we doubled our membership, would that do it?" Sorry I did not put the answer in terms of new memberships.

Memberships in 2019 was 2,121,449 so we double that then each and every charter partner would need to increase membership by 26 youths . Charter partners may have multiple units, let’s say a pack, a boy troop, a girl troop, and a Crew. so each unit in this hypothetical chartering would need to add and retain 7 youths and if all new and existing members are retained then the BSA will have dug itself out of it hole in about 3 years.

I would say that commissioners should strive to motivate their charter partners to organize this hypothetical mix of cub packs, scout troops, and venturing Crews. In my opinion

  1. Ways need to be figured out which motivate cubs to move to troops, and scouts to move to crews. How about this idea when a youth crosses over then the registration fee is waved or deeply discounted…
  2. Enticements need to be offered to start new charter partners and units. The registration fess could be deeply discounted for new units.
  3. The Venturing Advisor Position Specific training is completely silent on how adventures relate to advisor qualifications and experience. Training of crew advisers is needed to be able to offer venturing crews a selection of adventures they can choose from. Specifically, adventures should expand on things learned while earning merit badges, For example see below.

500,000 new members will generate $30,000 million of new revenue every year which helps a little but the BSA has to dig itself out of a hole. I was using the LDS figure to just get us back to where we were in 2013 before that LGBT policy thing.

David

PS.
These are adventure ideas I suggested to the crew committee that I could mentor having the experience Capability, tools, and equipment:

  • Build a totem pole to be erected at the summer camp
  • Make bows and arrows for personal use
  • Build model airplanes for display at the charter organization
  • Build a replica of Native American canoe or dugout
  • Build an crucible for melting aluminum and making medallions and other objects
  • Rehabbing antique bicycles
  • Knapping flint arrowheads
  • Rebuilding small engines
  • Rebuilding a lawn mowers
  • Join the model airplane club and learn to fly model airplanes
  • Take airplane ground school working toward a private pilots license
  • Swimming and lessons and races
  • Carving (visit a woodcarvers club),
  • jewelry crafting and metal working and sculpting
  • Attend meetings of the city Advisory boards
  • Survival training and outing to perfect skills
  • Build a cockpit to fly those model airplanes without those hand held controllers.
  • Rebuild a 1953 Piper Pacer 4 seat aircraft (a 2000 man hour project)
  • Rebuild a 1983 Honda motorcycle
  • Orienteering classes and contests challenging places
  • Outfitting your day bags, backpacks, and gear
  • go to garage sales to obtain camping equipment and refurbish them
  • Assembling electronic kits
  • go to garage sales to obtain computer equipment and refurbish them
  • repair and refurbish scouting equipment if needed
  • Setup a WIFI and LAN and learn computer programming
  • Learn techniques of Camping in the winter
  • Run the Colorado River or other big river out west
  • leather craft for fun and profit
  • Producing you tube videos
    The crew advisor did not want to even suggest any of these adventures. The only adventure the crew had was summer camp and the crew advisor could not even attend that. I was greatly saddened that the youths were ill served.
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The totem pole references have been moved to

Totem poles are not limited.
Totem pole Neckerchiefs slides are sold on ebay
Boy Scout Camper Killed by Falling Totem Pole
Boy Scout Totem Pole under construction video
The Boy Scouts of America Service Library called “Totem Poles” by Robert W. De Groat printed in 1930 and sold for 20 cents. Number 3196
Troop 169 finishes totem pole
Camp Kikthawenund Boy Scout Camp totem pole, Frankton, Indiana, 1980s
The entrance to S-F scout ranch is lined with over a dozen totem poles
Carving totem poles is quite the Boy Scout tradition.

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I did!
I worked cleaning a drive in at age 10
I picked up recyclable bottles and cans along the side of roads at age 11
I worked finding and selling golf balls at age 14
I worked cutting grass at age 12-14
I carried the trash out from a restaurant.at age 12
I worked as a welder at age 16
I worked at a Boy scout summer camp at age 17
I worked on a surveying crew at age 18
I sold the Grit newspaper and candy bars to raise funds for the scout troops

The logistical support, transportation, was provided by my parents.
I bought lots of Boy scout stuff and partially paid for summer camps and bought presents for my family with the money

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Citation please.

In Australia Economic exploitation of children, If the child labor does not meet the criteria as quoted below:

Economic exploitation of children is often a product of child labour, which is understood to be work done by children that is physically and mentally harmful, and interferes with their education, and social or psychological development.

then it is not exploitation. I wish I could find a citation for child exploitation law in the U.S. Sorry.

Requiring children to do family chores is not illegal, I hope.

"I did!
I worked cleaning a drive in at age 10
I picked up recyclable bottles and cans along the side of roads at age 11
I worked finding and selling golf balls at age 14
I worked cutting grass at age 12-14
I carried the trash out from a restaurant.at age 12
I worked as a welder at age 16
I worked at a Boy scout summer camp at age 17
I worked on a surveying crew at age 18"

The logistical support, transportation, was provided by my parents.
I bought lots of Boy scout stuff and partially paid for summer camps and bought presents for my family with the money"

I don’t how this conversation came off the rails so much as to discussing child exploitation. Like you David, I had to earn whatever “fun” money when I was a kid. I didn’t get a cushy allowance for taking out the trash and doing regular household chores. That was a family obligation.

Collecting glass bottles and returning them to get the fee was what I did before I was big enough for more menial jobs. I had my red wagon and cruise the neighborhood ditches and neighbors who set aside bottles for me to collect. People used to throw bottles out the car window back then too. I full wagon could bring in 5-10 bucks and in the late 60’s early 70’s that wasn’t bad. You could take them to just about any convenient store to get the return fee…When I was old enough, I had an empty milk jug and a push lawn mower and went up and down the neighborhood knocking on doors asking to mow laws. That was when the good money kicked in.

I don’t think anyone is suggesting the BSA “force” a kid to work for his membership.

Cool!
I am very grateful to my parents and those opportunities of mine that instilled within me the work ethic (Duty to Country) and thrift that has benefited me throughout my life. I did get an allowance for a couple of years.

David, my apologies, the target of my “Please be culturally sensitive” remark was not any one individual but the council marketing folks (usually professionals). I would also like to see council sponsored programs (camps and OA) including local stories and dances, but that is a topic for a different discussion topic,

P.S. my late wife in addition to being a SM was also of Lakota descent, So I am also sensitive to how non-white minorities are treated and what opportunities they have have.

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