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Second Class and First Class Requirement 1A

Hello, please help me understand the requirement for SC and FC 1a. Are the 5 activities counted for Second Class be used to complete the 10 activities needed for First Class? Thank you in advance.

Yes. The five activities in Second Class are a subset of the ten activities in First Class. The phrasing of each requirement is the key to this question:

Second Class

1a. Since joining Scouts BSA, participate in five separate troop/patrol activities, at least three of which must be held outdoors. Of the outdoor activities, at least two must include overnight camping.

First Class

1a. Since joining Scouts BSA, participate in 10 separate troop/patrol activities, at least six of which must be held outdoors. Of the outdoor activities, at least three must include overnight camping.

The key words are “Since joining Scouts BSA…” Each of the requirements starts the clock at the same time (joining Scouts BSA). Contrast this with other requirements which look similar to one another, but are specifically non-overlapping (e.g. Tenderfoot 7b, Second Class 8e, and First Class 9d).

ETA: Reference: https://www.scouting.org/programs/scouts-bsa/advancement-and-awards/

Thank you so much. I was just confused why it didn’t say “after completing Second Class 1, participate in another 5…” which is how other requirements were written. I appreciate your detailed response.

The reason for not saying "after completing Second Class is largely because the intent is to permit any 10 scouting activities (that otherwise meet the additional specifications) to qualify. Generally speaking, Scout, Tenderfoot, Second Class and First Class can all be worked on more-or-less concurrently.

There are a few requirements which specify that they can’t use the same events/activities as for another rank, or that it must come after completion of another requirement. However, none of these first ranks actually specify that you have to complete a requirement after completing the preceding rank. This is contrasted with Star, Life, and Eagle which do have some requirements that say the equivalent of “since completing < preceding rank >, do X”. That’s an important distinction that permits the scouts to work through these early rank requirements in a logical fashion, without requiring that the work on one rank only be started after completing the prior rank.

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