I was told during my BALOO training that a WEBLOS den can have a 2 night campout. I can’t find anything that confirms this. Is this accurate and if so where does it say it?
Webelos Den, yes, as a den. The pack, at council approved locations, can have a pack 2 night campout.
But is it written somewhere? There is another leader who wants to see it in writing.
The Age appropriate chart lays it out in my book
@MarkOsbun - not for nothing but it was posted earlier here… scroll up
There is a check next to “den overnights” (but not next to “weekend campouts”) in the Age-appropriate table here:
I couldn’t tell you if that’s a change or not. I’m pretty sure our council Webelos Woods was a two-night event, and that was explicitly aimed at Webelos dens. Maybe I am mis-remembering. It’s been a while.
The 2011 Outdoor Leader Skills for Webelos Leaders (https://filestore.scouting.org/filestore/training/pdf/511-336.pdf) instructor’s guide on page 28 says one to two nights:
The 2018 BALOO Trainers Guide (https://www.scouting.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/510-03318-BALOO_web_v2.pdf) page 116 just says “overnight den camping” with no definition.
Like @DonovanMcNeil says, the chart lays it out. No prohibition on 2 nights if you camp as a pack at a council approved property (other rules like BALOO trained etc apply). You can only camp as a den if you are a Webelos den. I would ask the other leader to show where it is prohibited as the chart clearly lays it out as possible and lists other prohibitions and restrictions. 1 night isn’t one of them.
The guide to safe scouting is super permissive, it says Webelos may participate in overnight camping. It doesn’t say 1 vs 2 nights because it can be 3 nights. I’ve done 3 night weekend campouts (ex. Labor Day weekend) with a troop and if the Webelos den is invited they could go on it.
That’s the missing piece to the logic.
As a den. Cubs can also do overnight camps as a pack. It also doesn’t say 1, 2, or 3 nights.
If it exceeds 72 hours they are required to have parts A, B, and C of the health form completed. This is why many Webelos residence camps do not go that long.
The GSS specifies things that expressly allowed and things that are expressly disallowed. A minimum or maximum number of nights that you are allowed to camp is not explicitly included in the GSS. The answer to your question falls here:
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