So with the 12/3 update, my unit went from 100% trained to 70%, when I look into the details of what is missing, it seems to center around Scoutmaster Specific training. Scoutmasters used to be considered complete if they had EITHER completed all the SM specific classes online or taken S24 in person. Now my ASMs are being marked as Untrained if they have not completed BOTH the online & in-person training, but both are not required.
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Has Hazardous Weather training been completed within the last 2 years for all of these leaders? It is required to be updated every 2 years, the same as YPT.
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@AngelaPokladnik - i would be willing to put money on the sco 800 weather hazard training as that is required for direct contact leaders.
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No - all of their Hazardous Weather is Up to date - I am on the District Committee - I can see the problem for all of them is there are either missing S24 (because they did the online training) or they are missing the online training because they completed S24. I was training chair of my unit before I was CC, so we stay up to date on training.
You would be losing that bet, all of their Haz. Weather is up to date.
In that case you will need to work with your Council staff to have a national member care ticket opened
@AngelaPokladnik Did any of them change registered positions?
It has shown this way for years now, but as long as one was done, the trained indication showed up.
Just to cover all bases, all are YPT within the last 2 years, Hazardous weather within the last 2 years, IOLS, and ether the online training OR the S24?
Sounds like ether a ticket via your council to national OR work through the district>council>CST training resources to see.
Following - Seeing the same issue. I’m looking as a District Commissioner at the Training report for a unit through their dashboard. Unit leaders are showing as Complete for Classroom SM specific, but incomplete for the SCO470-series which is also SM Specific but on-line. This also is showing in my entry, and Haz Weather SCO_800 is not showing as Mandatory incomplete.
I wonder if other training sessions that show a module of SCO_470x series as part of their curriculum then flags the Series as incomplete, and the report generator doesn’t know how to interpret.
Nope. Everyone is in the same position.
Correct about showing that way, but never made them untrained. Everything else is good, and they were listed as trained last month. I am on District, already sent the email to council, but trying to see if this is my district or everyone as it affects the ticket.
I found this thread because I noticed myself, and others in our unit, had gone from trained to not trained at some point for ASM. My “Mandatory Training” and my “Online Training” were both listed as Completed and 100%, and my “Classroom Training” was 0%.
The Trained Leader Status Report had SCO_800 listed as completed for me, because I have completed it, but I noticed it was expired in my list of completed trainings. On the “My Learning” page under the SM Position Specific Training module it was still listed as 100%.
So I just took it again, so it wouldn’t be expired, and now I’m showing as trained again:
It doesn’t sound like this is the issue for everyone, but it was for me. Now hopefully the trained patch will show again under “Registered Positions” on “My Profile” haha… I know it probably doesn’t actually matter, but it’ll make me feel better.
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All,
If you look at the Training Dashboard Report for your unit in my.scouting, you WILL NOT see Hazardous Weather showing as overdue. It will still show under the Mandatory Training column as Completed, with that section being green.
If you pull an individual’s training record, and look up SCO-800 in their file, you will see the expiration date for Haz Weather has gone by.
Key 3 and Unit Training Managers can also pull a report from Reports - Specific Training Course Reports - Hazardous Weather Training
Use the arrows in the Effective Date column to sort the report and see who is overdue.
Happy Scouting
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@AngelaPokladnik national made a change to the training system just last week that will drop “Direct Contact” leaders off the “Trained” list if their Hazardous Weather training was not taken/renewed in the past 24 months (just like YPT, HW has a 2 year expiration). They are not missing S24, their HW expired. In this example all training shows completed on the Trained Leader Status, but it lists him as NO for trained, because HW is expired. If you go to the Reports tab an run a Specific Training Course Report and choose Hazardous Weather Training, it will show the Expiry Date for the training.
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I see this same thing. If HW is expired, it shouldn’t be listed as “completed” in the overall training report, and we shouldn’t be forced to go run another specific report to try to figure out what the issue is. That’s forcing us go look for a needle in a haystack. We would need to suspect it might be HW in order to run that report. If we don’t suspect that, we would be guessing.
Thanks
Steve
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Recommendations to update the training reports need to go up through your Council, either via the training committee or professional staff.
I am not sure if the training reports that we are all seeing are incorrect. When I saw this thread I went and checked my training report (our unit was 100% compliant a the beginning of the month). What I saw was that the training report is definitely checking Hazardous Weather completion dates now. ALSO I noticed an assistant den leader who completed his training in 2004 is now not compliant because he has not completed the new modules that have been added to the den leader and assistant den leader training plans. We (Scouting America) have had several training updates over the years and though we previously were “grandfathered” into trained status I think that might have ended. I recommend people pull the person specific training report and check to see what date their training was generally completed and remember that there were significant program changes in 2015 and again now in 2024.
If that is true, that hasn’t been announced.
Could be unannounced, but it’s what I am seeing in my training report(s). The only person at my unit that is out of compliance other than hazardous weather is the one person who’s training is older than dirt.
My position-specific training is pretty old (2018-ish), and I’m still showing as “Trained” in my current position. I suspect it’s driven more by the “loss” of grandfathering when a position lapses or changes. For example, ASM → MC → ASM would lose any “grandfathered” training as I understand it, assuming that the position-specific training was updated between when it was first completed by the scouter and when the scouter “returned” to the ASM position. I’m not sure how this would play with multiple positions in different units (e.g. continuity of ASM in Unit 1 but changed from ASM to MC then back in Unit 2). I’m also not sure how it interacts with “brief” lapses in the position (e.g. unintentional expiration due to processing delays). I know what I think should happen in those cases, but don’t have enough exemplars of either to know.
