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So, I think I figured it out. Because the report is being run from the Troop, it is only catching the 5 short term nights from the Troop. It is not counting the 6 nights from her Crew that date to prior to the admission of Scouts BSA troops/scouts.

Could this be it?

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Kind of - not sure if we went back and added the logic for Joined Sea Scouts/Crew to the report - so it is only looking for when a scout joined a troop

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Yes, that could be the problem. Can you try setting Date Joined Scouts BSA to Feb 1, 2018 and see if the report is correct? The report is supposed to use the earliest of Date Joined Scouts BSA and Date Joined Venturing to filter Cub Scout camping out of the report.

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So I changed the date to 3/1/2018 to match when she joined Venturing and ran the report. It now says she is eligible.

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Thanks. Now that we know what the problem is, we can get the developers to fix it.

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Should I change the date back?

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Yes, you can change the date back now that we have identified the bug.

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Yes, please make sure it is accurate. You know this Scout is eligible despite what the report says.

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That is what I thought. Thanks.

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So, the FAQs from the OA make a hash of this type of situation:

The rank has to be from the unit in which the scout/venturer is being elected:
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and the camping nights are “preferred” to be met as part of the electing unit:

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The latter FAQ leaves plenty of wiggle room for a unit leader to accept camping from another BSA unit, but implies that this should occur in “extenuating circumstances”, which seems interesting.

The camping requirement just says “Have experienced 15 nights of camping while registered with a troop, crew, or ship within the two years immediately prior to the election.” I know that many leaders have read this to include, for example, a youth who serves as a staffer at NYLT and gets in camping nights from that. Those nights are not “with the unit”, but they are camping nights while registered, and are even under the auspices of the BSA. Based on the wording of this FAQ, it implies that counting such nights would require an “extenuating circumstance”. It seems odd that we would penalize a youth who takes time out of their own scouting experience to help teach others as part of a scouting event by not counting those camping nights.

Am I misreading that, or is that the way others read that FAQ?

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I would count the nights camping for the reason you hit on. Don’t penalize a youth for participating in BSA activities outside his/her unit. I really feel this one as a former NYLT Course Director/SM. I am also on the International Committee for my council and wouldn’t want to penalize a Scout for participating in an international event as most of them are composite units.

The last sentence in the camping faq refers to spirit and intent. I’d say that trumps the extenuating circumstances.

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Yeah, that’s how I would likely apply it as well. I’m just wondering what thought process led to the phrasing of “extenuating circumstances”. It seems to implicitly penalize youth who participate in multiple units/segments of the BSA. I’m glad they’ve left the “unit leader discretion” in the mix, though. That makes it clearer that the intent is to leave things open for interpretation, at least for now.

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Thanks for your quick reply and help.

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