Only if they have ALL training. Read the comment from Anthony. His Council does not require IOLS to recharter as SM or SA, only YPT and Scoutmaster Training (and maybe HWT). This goes back to the original request, an indication that BASIC position, in other words, all the online modules or the equivalent in person training, are complete.
The question was “I want a list of positions a person is trained for.” Well, the BSA has one definition of trained. If someone wants to look at courses, they can flip the display and look at Completions.
You can’t expect local deviation from the BSA standard to be represented in a report that comes from National. Otherwise we’d have 250 versions.
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The original request was to rollup the online training to a single code saying all the required modules for that position were completed. I don’t see this as a strange request. The report for someone registered for SA/SM will show which modules are needed to complete online training, in person training and YPT to be trained. If the system can figure this out for registered positions, it can figure it out for other positions. Thus the request to go back to a WS42 code when all the online courses are completed, similar to Y01 when the 4 YPT modules are completed.
Maybe what would be an acceptable alternative is the ability to enter the adult’s MID and the position code to check for training. So a Key 3 could check SA/SM training for someone currently registered MC.
Since the BSA allows councils to set higher standards than national, IT should provide data necessary to determine if these higher standards are being met. The alternative is to create an API so councils can create their own reports.
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Online training is not the same as in-person training. For example, the online training for district roles was rewritten and is much longer and more complete than the old in person training.
I do not like the idea of entering in person training codes for online training since it falsifies the training record.
Perhaps what is needed is a separate “license” datebase that show what roles a scouter is qualifed to perorm (with a expiration date for roles that require training that needs to be redone periodically.) Such a database would also solve the issue of new additional training being added to role requirements.
I see this as very useful since per my council policy, direct-contact adult leaders will not be registered at recharter unless they are position-trained. They will only register them for a non-direct position. Not sure how many councils are doing this, but seems more than a few.
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@CraigMook just to be clear we aren’t cross-talking with one another, have you tried the search feature in the Training Manager report (this was an enhancement back in the spring/summer). I’m not sure who in the unit has access to it, so I’ll post what it looks like and if this may help (a little).
Navigate to the Training Manager and select “Quick Search”
Enter the name of your unit leader and click “Search”. Select the proper leader from the results if more than one appears. On the next page, it defaults to all completions. The “Completions” is actually a menu and can be changed to positions trained.
Selecting this will show all positions for which the leader is recognized as being trained (using the official, National designation of trained). It even has a search bar, so if the leader is trained for multiple positions, the one needed can be found.
Perhaps this will at least help some when looking to see if a leader is trained in a position other than their “registered” position.
ETA: sorry, I just saw that @RonaldBlaisdell posted this basic process above without screenshots, and yes, the limitation is the entire training must be completed as recognized for this method to work (but still may be a feature to help some such as @GarrettGreen )
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@RonaldBlaisdell, I do agree with @edavignon, it would be nice if the positions trained report was to report based on position code and not program so as to omit all the duplicates and only list the actual trained position once. Not sure if that has been submitted as an enhancement request, but it’d be a good one.
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I did add that to the request.
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I didn’t even know there was a selection there to view qualified positions until this thread, nothing indicates on the page that there is a dropdown for multiple selections. However, one thing I see is you can’t generate a report/printout of the qualified positions, and would have to cut/paste to a spreadsheet to be able to send or print. Still conerned with the non-genterating of a course code and cert for the training report, as in my original post, but this helps…
The request from a report (by position, not by program) has been submitted.
With this post, could also ask why the four modules for YPT stay in the report once the Y01 is generated, doesn’t make sense…
It used to be a mandate with the Heart of Virginia. Now it is an expectation.
Arguably, it’s required per the Adult Application, although I suspect most folks don’t actually notice that language: https://filestore.scouting.org/filestore/pdf/524-501.pdf
They must also…
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- Take leader position-specific training at my.Scouting.org/ Classroom training may also be available through your council.
Charley,
Having to do the training wasn’t the issue being addressed in this thread.
Understood. The response was specific to the question raised earlier by @DonovanMcNeil. I just got the reply-to part glitched.
The concern is certificates with course codes indicatiing completion of specific courses, in this case the Online training for “Scouts BSA - Scoutmaster Position Specific Training.” Our council usually requests copies of the specific course certificates, and this online course does not produce one that a Unit Training Chair such as myself can view, print, or provide.
I assume it doesn’t produce a certificate because one isn’t fully trained afterwards.
It doesn’t produce a certificate because completing the online training does not roll up to a single course code like YPT does with Y01.
If it satisfies the same requirements in the goal to be fully position qualified, why doesn’t it qualify for a course code and completion cert like the in-person class which generates the S24 and completion cert, or just like the YPT does also? I feel the problem is that it SHOULD have a course code that applies, and should also generate a completion certificate that a training chair or other leader can see populated in the individuals training report, can print a certificate of completion, etc.
I am not implying this should indicate fully postion trained, becasue in this instance, their is a YPT and IOLS requirement. However, it DOES say you ahve completed the Scoutmaster course required for the position requirment. Those other courses produce codes and certs, why doesn’t this one?
